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The Royal Society for the Protection of Birds

Loch Garten osprey diary

 

Everyone has an opinion

I made a decision to publish the opinions of Von and his concerns about the RSPB not saving the chick..... I decided to do this because he is entitled to his opinion and the point he made was put in a sensible and well constructed way.

I may have opened a can of worms by doing this but the blog is not just for self congratulatory comments... we want to know what you think and if you disagree with what we do then say so.

Our policy is to be as non-interventional as we can be, this may seem a little strange when we are going to ring and satellite tag the chicks, it is not. The ringing and tagging of the chicks will give us vital data which will assist our understanding of osprey ecology, this data is invaluable to our further understanding of the birds.
Ringing and tagging does not interfere with the natural processes. There would be no point in doing it if it did since the data obtained would be skewed as a result and therefore useless. Compare that to visiting the nest to take an obvious weak chick and hand rear it... That is interfering with nature.

In broader conservation terms ospreys are doing better now in Scotland, and the rest of Great Britain, than ever before.  This can only be because they are producing a good surplus of viable chicks,  our smallest chick was not one of those.

I do understand the depth of feeling of many of our readers, and I do not expect you all to agree with our policy. I believe that we gave our smallest chick a fighting chance of survival as a wild bird, when it got to the point where the female rejected it that was too late for us to intervene even if we wanted to. Nature dictates what happens and unfortunately our wee chick died.

I'd like to draw a line under this debate now, let's look forward to the fledging of the two remaining chicks and leave the unfortunate death behind us. We are never going to find common ground on this... So let's agree to disagree and move on.

Published 02 July 2008 19:44 by davidgascoigne

Comments

pip said

02 July 2008 20:13

Line drawn David - good call. Interested to note that they will be satellite tagged - will this help us to learn what dangers, natural or otherwise, they face in their first year? Pip

Elle said

02 July 2008 20:22

Know you want to draw a line....but, if there was no camera on the nest we, the viewing public would not have known about #3's death!!!

Keep up the good work

Margobird said

02 July 2008 20:30

David thanks very much for your blog and again the sensitive way you approach it. It is hoped now that we wish the 2 remianing chicks all the luck in the world. I see they are having another feed at the moment so Mum and Dad must be doing something right and it is looking pretty certain that they will fledge and return to Africa. I agree with you when you say everyone is entitled to their own view and your understanding in this difficult situation has been great. Wish everyone there good luck and many thanks for keeping us so well updated.

Maureen McCann said

02 July 2008 20:30

Thanks David....as usual your reports are excellent and as you say there is no definitive answer (if any) to this debate.....maybe/hopefully we can all learn from each others views.

I too think we should  get back to watching......The '2008 Bloggers' and RSPB's Ospreys or they will have flown away before we know it. When is 'ringing' day?

M M G. said

02 July 2008 20:43

I have to agree with what you have said going on and on about the wee one will not bring it back again. Laurel and Hardy give loads of pleasure and the carry on when mum left them with a fish was the best entertainment I have had in a while, it was priceless but they have to learn and learn the pair of them will. The two of them are real cracking birds hope I manage up to Loch Garten soon.

audrey said

02 July 2008 20:52

Two very well fed chicks and EJ feeding away!! Re your comments , beautifully put!!

Now back to the cam to see if I have missed anything...............

helenB said

02 July 2008 20:54

Well said David.

The other chicks are looking great, just saw one of them trying to feed itself, not quite got the hang of holding the fish down yet! I tend to log in quite frequently but don't watch for very long so it's quite interesting when you tell us how many fish have been consumed and who did the fishing. I should think the chicks must be due for ringing soon?

LEA said

02 July 2008 21:06

Well done to you all. The coverage of the ospreys over the past few weeks has been very fair, and the live cam has been amazing. Thank you all for feeding us so much useful information

Sarah P said

02 July 2008 21:07

Ospreys are protected from humans, not from natural causes. If human beings had quelled their urge to rummage around in Osprey nests years ago the species would never have been endangered in the first place. The RSBP cannot be expected to wander into every bird's nest in the country that it's aware of and pluck out weak chicks to be hand reared and live out thier lives in capitivity and it would be an abomination if they did. My advice to anyone unable to accept that the wild is about life and death in equal measure, is not to watch it. Can we enjoy the chicks exercising their wings in preparation for fledging now?

Mike/Sheffield said

02 July 2008 21:09

In total agreement with you David. Thanks for all the wonderful coverage provided by the team at LG. Hope the big yins are still there during the first week in August.

Hazel said

02 July 2008 21:19

As a teacher of 7-9yr olds my class and I have been watching the nest since the first egg was laid . What a lot it has taught them that we couldn't have found out by any other means but 'experiencing' it. Its great.

Christina said

02 July 2008 21:34

Agree with you David, we should not interfere with nature. We are privileged to be able to watch and that is all we should do.  Thank you Team for enabling us to view the nest life of the Osprey. May the two chicks go on to long and healthy lives.

ElaineC said

02 July 2008 21:42

Well said David. I agree everyone is entitled to their opinion and if they don't like what is going on then they can switch off where you guys at Loch Garten can't. It's so good to see the 2 chicks coming on so well, stretching their wings and looking so interested with their surroundings. Can't thank the team enough for the opportunity for us to see the goings on in Loch Garten. Keep up the good work.

northie said

02 July 2008 22:31

sorry to be a spoilsport or someone that disagrees with what you have done . if you go done the nature route etc . i is not natural to have camera in nest , it is not natural to have net guarded day and night . i of course agre with this , but not natures way . if this  nest was the last in the world , of course you would take little one out and try and save . you will say it would not survive if hand reared . imagine to  have a tame osprey waiting to get fed . the crowds that would be able to right up close , not via camera . many many groups/experts have hand reared killer birds do displays etc . with birds that cannot kill . so why could you not of saved little one . i have had a interest in wildlife since late 50"s . my uncles had farms . they/i did everything to save calfes/chicks/lambs . stayed up all night etc . i can tell you saving animal/bird is a great/great feeling . i could never imagine me ever allowing such a great bird/chick to die in front of me . but again thats my opinion . yes yor centre does a great job . 4 years ago we say one of your ospreys (might of been someone elses )at linn of dee . another thing i am at odds with is tagging . this has a affect on bird , not natural . nature made the bird the way it was to survive . just look at spring watch geese that are lost after getting fitted up . thes things put on birds have a fatal effect on many . ie dying laden down with these gadgets .  i post this as my opinion .

Ret said

02 July 2008 22:32

I agree entirely with what M.M. G says....we have had so much fun watching the 2 chicks...views at night being so light were awesome at times....thank u team at Loch Garten for making this a wonderful experience to watch its my first time on webcam on viewing ospreys looking forward to next year.  Thanks again

DianaN said

02 July 2008 23:11

Thanks for the info. Glad you are going to ring and tag the birds. I followed Logies story back from Africa, and was disappointed not to be able to keep up with the soap story there. Will we be able to keep up with their story as they are tracked back to Africa? You will have to issue a health warning when they set off, our nerves will be in shreds.

Sandra said

02 July 2008 23:13

Well said. I agree fwith every word of your blog. You all do a very good job so keep up the good work. from sandra

TomTrout said

02 July 2008 23:15

I'd love to know how the kids in the schools are handling the bad news, my guess is a lot better than many of the adult viewers.

Derek said

02 July 2008 23:21

Hi, I think you are being a bit unfair to EJ as regards rejection of the wee one cos the night before it died she offered him/she a couple of morsels the first of which was swallowed the second  left hanging in his/her beak so I presume he was already too weak to feed properly.

Best regards to all the team up there you are doing a fantastic job.

PS, I live in the Lake District and as far as I can gather our Ospreys also have two healthy chicks.

Susan Warne said

02 July 2008 23:52

Thanks for your comments David & the work of the LG team.  You cannot intervene in nature lots of baby birds die at this time of year.  It is cruel to try to save them.

11.45pm where is EJ chicks alone on nest.  How beautiful they are soon be flying I hope.

mary p. said

03 July 2008 03:59

well said! This was my first time to watch birds nesting and ofcourse it was hard when seeing it all happen, but just like you have said, nature prevails! I have been doing a lot of reading and I see that this happen so often.  Now that I understand that, I am so proud of mom and dad and looking forward to the babies flying!  Thanks for all you do!

David C said

03 July 2008 06:38

Just logged on for the first time today. I agree entirely with what you say David. Nature is nature and should not be interfered with.Let's look forward to the continuing growth of the 2 chicks and enjoy all their antics.

Dorothy Wilson said

03 July 2008 06:52

6.30am Just logged on, twins still in bedibies . But Mum's gone fishing.

John Harwood said

03 July 2008 07:04

Well said David, I have learnt so much about Ospreys this year in what is my first year of watching the cam so I thank you all for that. My wife and I are now members of the RSPB because of this site and hope to visit Loch Garten soon. When do you expect the ringing to take place and why do they actually travel all the way from Africa to breed in Scotland?

Jacxxx said

03 July 2008 07:24

I just want to say that I agree totally with what David has said. Agreed everybody is entitled to their own opinion but at the end of the day what you are doing is showing us all something that we would not normally see. Myself and my children have been watching the nest for a while and although they have been upset but the rejection of the chick it has also taught them alot about what happens in nature. Thank you for everything you do to help us understand more about these truly magnificent birds. It is educational both for my children and myself.

Maureen McCann said

03 July 2008 08:11

8am.....everything seems peaceful this morning.....lots of 'housework' going on and it is lovely to hear 'twitterings' from chicks instead of squawking/screaming......I feel as if I am part of their 'life' now and am dreading 'we have lift off day'.......shall join 24/7 watch from the comfort of my 'armchair'.

Andi.K said

03 July 2008 08:12

EJ seems to be carrying a large fish aound the nest, got herself in a comfy position and now feeding them. Did they have breakfast earlier, or is this first meal today?

Maureen McCann said

03 July 2008 08:15

8.12am Breakfast now being eaten, large fish......even feeding time is a quieter time.

Barbara Jean said

03 July 2008 08:27

EJ brought a huge fish and it appears there will be plenty for her too. I am happy because she is looking a little thin.

Sandra said

03 July 2008 09:01

Has anyone looked on the fScottish Wildlife Webcams for Loch of the Lowes at Dunkeld. I have and they have 1 chick there. the other two eggs did not hatch. The chick there is a bit older than the two at Loch Garten and he is a good size. Also the Osprey Watch site. Even though there is no webcam there is a diary that the people there are doing a very good job of keeping even though the Osprey moved nests this year and they cannot see what is going on just surnising.

Carol said

03 July 2008 09:06

I agree with Barbara. EJ does look a little thin. Thank goodness those chicks are getting big enough to leave whilst she goes fishing for herself if she needs to. OVS seems to be fishing successfully though. Housework finished and EJ is calling OVS to go out fishing again! Lovely to hear the quiet noises they make to each other on the nest, so different to food calling and alarm calls.

Andi.K said

03 July 2008 09:08

Stunning view of one of the chicks (can't tell which is which any more) really close to the camera...thankyou LG team for this fantastic view and insight into their world.

Von said

03 July 2008 09:11

Well said Northie! put forth with balance. kindness and grace! The RSPB do a grand job, so do other organisations, and animal rescue outfits, relieve lots of suffering and help endangered species. David was gracious in his comments, helpful too. I just wish people could see how illogical their comments are though... when they say thing like "the survival of the fittest" If they REALLY believe this there is no need for these wonderful organisations ...........SELAH!

Beryl said

03 July 2008 09:58

I agree with all you say we should'nt interfere with nature. If you had saved it possibly it would'nt have been strong enough to fly 3,000 miles for the winter. Keep up the good work. Beryl.

EricG said

03 July 2008 10:03

Isn’t it just the way of things, that when you need OVS to be underperforming and EJ constantly nagging him to go fishing; that he’s bringing in whales, everyone is happy, he is sitting somewhere nearby and you can’t get near the nest to ring and tag the chicks. Aren’t birds Brilliant !!! Good Luck !!!

ElaineC said

03 July 2008 10:20

I really think it is time that we put what has happened to the little chick to rest. It happened and there is nothing that we can do to change it, no matter what is said. This blog is getting bogged down with it, where before we were talking about the goings on. I too was upset at the little one dying, but at the moment we have 2 chicks who are nearly the same size as EJ and coming on in leaps and bounds. I look forward to the day they are ringed and fledge but not to the day they leave us......

Everyone has their opinion, as do I, but lets leave it here....

sjb said

03 July 2008 10:35

I am 100% with David and the Loch Garten team. They are a brilliant group of people, who take great care of the Loch Garten Wildlife...I am sure that there is also a lot more that they do as well as watch over EJ and family ( apart from keeping us up to date with fantastic bloggs). Keep up the great work. Sandra, yes I have also been following the Loch Of Lowes Osprey....the chick hatched about a week before Loch Garten. It brings it into prospective, they lost two eggs!!!!!!! Currently two very well fed looking chicks....sleeping off breakfast....with the occasional head of an adult popping in and out of view ( I assume this is EJ). I cannot get over the size of them, no wonder the sides of the nest are gardually increasing in height. A bit of wing stretching going on, tip of which goes out of camera shot.

sjb said

03 July 2008 10:55

This is an unusual pose for sitting, I am not sure if the chick is saying, hey don't I look cool, look at me or he/she is trying to keep cool as it looks very warm on the nest.

m lake said

03 July 2008 11:12

I wonder if anyone else saw EJ's antics last evening after she had fed chicks to bursting point and finishing off remainder of big fish. She walked round the nest and it was obvious she was looking for something, she then leaned over to take something from between no 1&2 and promptly got pecked at by no 1. she backed off and tried again and got pecked at, so she wandered away but immediatly came back again and boldly leaned over between the chicks and brough out the remains of a small fish. She then proceeded to eat it all. The chicks remained curled up in bed. Watching these birds has been truly fascinating. Again so many thanks to the LG team for all they do and have done to make this possible. It has been great to see such peace and harmony on the nest this past couple of days. I might be wrong but I think this is mainly due to EJ and her hunting skills. She is brilliant bird and hope we see her again next year.

glynnsmith said

03 July 2008 11:55

This is us learning about ospreys. As I said once before, an amazing privilege to see what happens on the nest....and that is all. I wholeheartedly agree that you couldn't have interfered...and shouldn't have. I had to witness the same thing in my garden with a blackbirds nest at eye-level. The sudden loss of both chicks in there hasn't affected the number of young blackbirds running around....soon they will be contesting the area. The magpie looks quite well fed...I'm hoping to teach his young to say "I'm stealing your chicks".

Dorissenff said

03 July 2008 11:56

I think you may have to grow wings yourself if you want to ring these two, David. They look as if they may take off at any minute. It's difficult to tell which ones are the adults. Wonderful looking birds now.

dodo said

03 July 2008 12:20

Has EJ gone camera shy? All I have seen is a bit of the side of her this morning.

Paul said

03 July 2008 12:26

Great work going on here, more power to your elbow for bringing these wonderful creatures to prominence in our everyday lives. Just read the latest news reports about the current plight of Golden Eagles in many areas of Scotland... it is through initiatives such as the LG Ospreys that we might 'out' raptor persecution in the public psyche, and show it up for the narrow minded barbarism it is. Anyway, these two youngsters are absolutely marvellous. I'm made up things are going so well for the LG Ospreys after a some bumpy rides and some sad moments... long may it continue... TO FLEDGING AND BEYOND!

quietwoman said

03 July 2008 12:56

'Our' two beauties are 'zoncked'. legs stretched out. Looking replete and sleepy. Thanks, David, for the new posting. I agree, there is little point in continuing the argument, fun while it lasted tho'. How much longer as nestlings? They'll have to be ringed soon, I suspect, or they will be lifting off the nest at the approach of an intruder!!!

SUZI said

03 July 2008 13:39

(13:38) what a fantastic close up!!

pabraham said

03 July 2008 13:44

What a beautiful shot on the cam right now. Ej is right in front of the camera and as close as I'v ever seen her. What a beauty!

DRC said

03 July 2008 14:41

Our whole family has been captivated by the events over the last few weeks shown on the webcam. We accept that nature can be cruel, but we were hoping that the wee one would survive.  My wife & I managed to make our annual visit to the centre in May this year and once again were so pleased to see & hear the staff on duty being so helpfull to the many visitors.  Keep up the good work.

starwars said

03 July 2008 14:47

l have been away...have the chicks been tagged yet...can anyone let me know...thank you

ElaineC said

03 July 2008 14:51

Just came online just now and it's feeding time, both chicks still seem happy to have EJ feeding them. Good to see them all so content, hopefully there will be enough left for EJ to get a good feed. There were great pics of EJ last night too, she was right in front of the camera, easy to see with that beak how easy it is to pick the fish to bits!!!

Carol said

03 July 2008 14:57

Jet flying overhead!!!

Maureen McCann said

03 July 2008 14:58

Afternoon snack just finished.....meal times seem to be a less frantic/more enjoyable affair for 'our' little feathered friends and EJ 'sharing' rather than feeding....chicks now finishing off what has been left on nest...again no pushing, shoving or aggro. Great.

fiona13 said

03 July 2008 15:40

What a pair of beauties these are turning out to be - well done EJ and OVS. They seem to be getting bigger by the minute and sometimes it's hard to tell who is who. Have seen chicks flap wings and yes it looks like they could take off any minute, going to miss them when they are gone but hopefully we will hear in a few years if they come back and have chick of their own, now wouldn't that be good news? Especially for all the hard work that the LG Team have put in this year, keep up the good work.

quietwoman said

03 July 2008 16:12

No, Chicks haven't been tagged yet, Starwars. (Have you been on a mission?) Just had a wonderful 15mins. Chicks quiet and still. EJ, looking beautiful and facing the camera and, occasionly arching her neck to look down which makes her crest rise in the breeze. Weather looks lovely at the centre today, please turn it on again for me next week

dodo said

03 July 2008 16:34

Chick pecking at Mum....what ingratitude after all she ahs done!!!

susan said

03 July 2008 16:47

David thanks for your words of wisdom. The RSPB is about the Protection of Species and not individuals.I hope this continues  

Margobird said

03 July 2008 16:48

Chicks are going to be tagged tonight so cam will be off for a while.  they are having a feed at the moment, helping themselves a bit as well.  Sad but we are getting nearer the time when they fledge and go and how I will miss them.

Chrissy Beahan said

03 July 2008 16:58

Chrissy from Worcestershire,,

I sincerely believe that we all are entitled to individual opinions,, I was brought up on a farm too,, and there is a world of difference  in helping a domestic animal,, than there is with a wild animal,, this little darling didn't stand a chance almost from the beginning,, and if a Mother stops feeding,, well,, that tells the whole story as far as I'm concerned,, sad though it is,, Ospreys live a very long life,,could it be gauranteed that if the chick was removed and hand reared that the end result wouldn't of been the same,, perhaps we should listen to Mother and take note,,,

I think as nature watchers we should all stop placing human emotions onto animals,, after all they have been on this planet longer than we have,, and I think they know best when it comes to rearing their young.

NOW,,, as David says,,lets draw this to an end and just enjoy the two healthy chicks we have,, it won't be long before they fledge and then we won't have anything to watch until next year.

I have regarded the viewing of these majestic creatures both a privilege and an honour,,

All I want to say is a Thank you to David and his Team for allowing us all to have this free and candid insight into the world of the Osprey,, THANK YOU !!!

Chrissy Beahan.

dodo said

03 July 2008 17:04

EJ has fed the fish OVS brought in a few minutes ago to the chicks and is now telling him in no uncertain terms that it was not big enough as she hardly had a feed at all!!

Andi.K said

03 July 2008 17:45

Lovely picture of EJ standing between the 2 chicks....she is calling so, i presume, OVS is around......must be tea time.Did she ever remove dead chick? it is difficult to see with all the nest furniture.

John Harwood said

03 July 2008 19:01

It is amazing how many new bloggers are watching and posting on the site these days, it is wonderful to see new people joining 'the gang' and learning about these wonderful creatures. The more people know about initiatives like this then the more chances of survival for the Osprey and other birds of prey

Well done to everyone

ElaineC said

03 July 2008 19:04

Good luck with the ringing and tagging guys, rather you than me being up that height. Look forward to hearing what info the tags bring in the future.

m lake said

03 July 2008 19:17

Looked in at about 5pm and EJ just starting to feed chicks a large fish. Is'nt it great that food has been so plentiful this past couple of days.

Having said that, do we give a thought for the poor fish ? who is swimming about minding his own buisness and suddenly finds himself airborne in the grip of deadly talons and is then ripped to pieces. Yes nature is very cruel.

Nigel Reeves said

03 July 2008 19:38

7.35pm. VS just arrived with headless fish, which EJ grabbed from him without so much as a "thankyou" and is now feeding her youngsters. Great to hear they're to be ringed tonight - looking forward to seeing the footage at the Centre next week!

Maureen McCann said

03 July 2008 19:40

7.40pm. Another fish...sharing & caring? evident again. Fantastic.

Dorothy Wilson said

03 July 2008 19:43

David, ringing must be imminent. Are you going to tell us before or tell us when it is a faiit accompli? Dorothy

troutfisher said

03 July 2008 20:04

VS delivered a smallish fish, quickly scoffed. EJ sounds as if she wants more, I think she'll go fishing this evening, the weather seems much better at Loch Garten than here in south west Scotland

John Harwood said

03 July 2008 20:47

Looks like EJ doesn't want the ringing to happen tonight lol, she is not leaving the nest

Mitch said

03 July 2008 21:01

It's interesting to see that all the comments following David's post have been very positive. I have been to LG travelling up from Devon on at least 4 occasions during holidays and wish I could come to see these beautiful birds in the flesh again before they leave for the winter. The webcam has been a godsend for me and I have thoroughly enjoyed watching the comings and goings. Keep up the good work.

Nigel Reeves said

03 July 2008 22:09

10.05 Has anyone got better eyesight or a better monitor than me? That looks remarkably like a hydraulic platform in the distance. Quite an improvement on a 60 foot ladder! That would make Elfin Safety very happy, and make a quicker smoother ride for the chicks, so much less traumatic. Well done RSPB, yet again!

joelann said

04 July 2008 01:03

Does EJ not brood the the chicks at night at this late stage of development any more?

Barbara Jean said

04 July 2008 02:19

The chicks have been sleeping  alone in the nest since it got dark . Is it normal for EJ to spend the night  away from the nest?

She may be sleeping in a near by tree, but of course I can only see the nest.

Kathyj said

04 July 2008 05:55

So  busy yesterday that I didn't even realised they were being tagged last night.  The two youngster are sitting there quietly this morning, so looks like all went according to plan with the tags.  I was going to ask, but forgot, so will ask now.  Would the nest have been tidied up quickly when the chicks were removed for tagging ie removing No 3 chick.  Not sure if I can see it now, but it is hard to see at time anyway.

All very quiet.  It makes me laugh when they exercise their wings (wingercises).  They seem to just stretch out one wing over each other, almost like they are putting an arm round their brother/sister.

Kathyj said

04 July 2008 05:57

ej just landed, empty talloned. Now calling to OVS for breakfast.

Carol said

04 July 2008 09:00

Have been reading migration details on Roy Dennis's website from last year for Logie's two chicks who were satellite tagged. Only one made it as one was lost at sea near Scilly Isles. Looking forward to similar details for these two terrible twins but hope that both make it. Can't see radio tags so I am assuming that ringing didn't go ahead last night.

ElaineC said

04 July 2008 09:26

What a pair of spectacular birds these chicks have grown into. They are both standing preening and exercising their wings this morning. Don't look like it's that long until they will try their first flight. Was looking for tags but can't see any, is it just my imagination? Hope no problems arose for the LG team. Not seen any sign of EJ or VS this morning yet, be back soon I'm sure.

Maureen McCann said

04 July 2008 09:47

Have been 'tuned in' since 5am.......breakfast has arrived..they are all ravenous. As like yesterday.....sharing.. no aggro.

Carol said

04 July 2008 09:55

At last! Logged on just as EJ removed the remains of #3.

Suzie said

04 July 2008 09:59

At about 9.53 this morning saw adult bird removing something big from the front of the nest .. it looked like the dead chick. Huge flapping of wings and adult flew off nest with it and reappeared a minute later.

Dorissenff said

04 July 2008 10:29

A hop, skip and jump along with the flapping just now from largest chick (female?). Won't be long now........... Did you ascertain the sex last night - can't see any tags either so hope all went well.

quietwoman said

04 July 2008 10:31

It's so exciting. No1 has just been wing excercising and JUMPING! I believe nestling period is 44-59 days  (v.old book by Ian Newton) in which case the No1 should be fledging any time from Monday next. Wow! They have taken just a few weeks to achieve what humans take years to do!

police dog said

04 July 2008 10:37

police dog..Hi to all of you well done Can you tell us when the chicks will be ringed ??? and will it be on camera Sandra and lew barlow Thank you...

joelann said

04 July 2008 10:38

Will we be pre-warned when the chicks will be ringed?

quietwoman said

04 July 2008 11:12

I'm having trouble tearing myself away from this cam today. *1 is standing erect and watching all that's going on around the nest. He seems to have a problem holding his wings in the folded position. They just look too long and heavy for him yet. I bet 'he's female!! Oh,look at me, am I not such a very fine bird?

pip said

04 July 2008 11:15

Pretty sure I can see the ring on one of the babes - any ideas on sex please? I reckon both Female Pip

susan said

04 July 2008 13:59

Ringing Postponed -  thought i was going to log on just now to find that we had a boy and a girl, will have to wait longer :) x

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